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Claude Candycloud

Thursday, 11 October 2018

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Hello.

Today I noticed that a few "units" have gone missing from my PDD. Among them are Vitamin B7 (Biotin) and at least one of the amino acids, see picture for example.

When I run the "Recipe Nutrient Report" module, B7, and all Amino Acids will show up, but when I run the "Analysis by Lifestage & Qty" module, it does not.

I noticed Taurine was always missing from the very beginning, but assumed it was because the foodstuff does not have Taurine declared, but now that nutrients that are actually declared have gone missing, I figure something has to be wrong.

Not sure if it counts as bug or if I have unknowingly triggered something weird, but I hope it can be fixed XD

Has anyone else experience a similar problem?

On a sidenote.
I absolutely LOVE PDD by the way, it has changed everything for me.
I did not want to make an entire post about this but if you are looking for ideas on what to add for a possible future update, I would love to see Vitamin E divided into all 8 different isomers because oftentimes Alpha-Tocopherol is the only one stated on food even though a deeper look declares a higher amount of for example Gamma-Tocopherol or Beta-Tocotrienol.

Thank you so much!

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4 years ago

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Hi BearPawBling,

Thank you for your kind words and your feature suggestions.

Taurine is not listed for dogs because healthy dogs make their own. Not all nutrients are listed for each species and life stage. For instance, Biotin and Taurine are only listed for cats. Arachidonic acid is listed for puppies and cats (all life stages). The Recipe Nutrient Report justs lists nutrients in a food, whether they are required or not.

Note that in the image you posted, the Remaining calorie targets should be as close to zero as you can get.

Rene

Animal Nutritionist and Lead Developer for Pet Diet Designer

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Claude Candycloud

4 years ago

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Hi BearPawBling,

Thank you for your kind words and your feature suggestions.

Taurine is not listed for dogs because healthy dogs make their own. Not all nutrients are listed for each species and life stage. For instance, Biotin and Taurine are only listed for cats. Arachidonic acid is listed for puppies and cats (all life stages). The Recipe Nutrient Report justs lists nutrients in a food, whether they are required or not.

Note that in the image you posted, the Remaining calorie targets should be as close to zero as you can get.

Rene

Thank you for your reply. I am just confused because I have a memory that it used to show, and suddenly it does not. I have also learned that healthy dogs supposedly make their own Vitamin K, and it is still listed, so I am a bit confused.

Oh I know, the image I posted shows a full weeks worth of food because I am making different recipes by the week and I want to make sure the whole week has all things required before I look into things by the day.
Since it's for a full week, I need everything (including calories) to be 7 times (700%) as much as the daily recommended. It's just easier for me to approach it that way ^__^

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4 years ago

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Hi BearPawBling,

Please do not formulate your week's batches that way. The current beta version of PDD was designed to create balanced meals per day. Once you have a meal perfectly balanced for a day, then you would use the Batch Report to make batches. This is the correct way to do it. We cannot guarantee that the way you are approaching it is valid.

The next update will make balancing for batches easier.

While most healthy dogs make some Vitamin K, there are times when they do not. Vitamin K was added as a requirement to dog and cat nutrition back in 1985 as a precaution. There is evidence that dogs do better with supplementation of Vitamin K provided in foods or as a supplement. The form of Vitamin K listed by NRC is Menadione. Only a minor form of this vitamin is converted to the biologically active menaquinone-4 (MK-4). Vitamin K is very important for vitamin-K dependent clotting factors, vitamin-K dependent skeletal proteins, and other vitamin-K dependent proteins.

All the nutrients that are listed by NRC, and in PDD, are needed for optimal health

Rene

Animal Nutritionist and Lead Developer for Pet Diet Designer

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Claude Candycloud

4 years ago

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Hi BearPawBling,

Please do not formulate your week's batches that way. The current beta version of PDD was designed to create balanced meals per day. Once you have a meal perfectly balanced for a day, then you would use the Batch Report to make batches. This is the correct way to do it. We cannot guarantee that the way you are approaching it is valid.

The next update will make balancing for batches easier.

While most healthy dogs make some Vitamin K, there are times when they do not. Vitamin K was added as a requirement to dog and cat nutrition back in 1985 as a precaution. There is evidence that dogs do better with supplementation of Vitamin K provided in foods or as a supplement. The form of Vitamin K listed by NRC is Menadione. Only a minor form of this vitamin is converted to the biologically active menaquinone-4 (MK-4). Vitamin K is very important for vitamin-K dependent clotting factors, vitamin-K dependent skeletal proteins, and other vitamin-K dependent proteins.

All the nutrients that are listed by NRC, and in PDD, are needed for optimal health

Rene

Hello again. Thank you for your reply.

It's only a temporary thing I am doing to see what is missing in his diet, I only recently purchased PDD and am still in the process of properly balancing his meals, once I have it balanced over the course of a week, I will break it down to 7 individual recipes, one for each day of the week, and try to get each day balanced.

Thank you for the information on Vitamin K, it is very good to know. The problem I am having it seems I would need to add a LOT of leafy greens and herbs to get the Vit K to 100% so I suppose I will have to supplement it?

Again, thank you.

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4 years ago

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Hi BearPawBling,

Yes you need to supplement is you don't want to add too many vegetables and/or leafy greens.

Rene

Animal Nutritionist and Lead Developer for Pet Diet Designer

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